When we say Trust God, God is good... what does it mean? Isnt God just God? He watches kids raped, cities detroyed, women and men murdered people go mad, commit suicide on and on and he lets it happen..when we say we trust God what are we trusting him for? Everyone dies ..we all have mishaps and tragedies..what does this trust find its basis in? A couple I knew was killed on way to church years ago by a drunk driver..didnt they trust God to get them there safely? What are we trusting God for? To protect us from these evils? If thats so then we are being naive and foolish. So why bother trusting God..trusting him for what? We could lose everything in the next minute...and people do..some of these were no doubt trusting God..so what happens happens whether we trust or not..and if we arent trusting him to make our way smooth what are we trusting him for? Our next breath? If you breathe you breathe if not you dont...trusting is not relevant..

The only answer I have is my own revalation and that is - God does not interviene in mans life without permission.
or at least our lives personally.

I see in my own life that when I came to a place to say "you lead and guide me' - your will not my will be done, something happened - and every door, everything in my life seemed to be stratigic...

I totally trust God - for he has the best inensions for me.

Now - the other thing I see is this - we has a thing inside us that is to lead and guide us, prompt us, warn us, teach us yet how many people know they have this?

How many things have happened yet people ignored the inner warning?




Is it possible that we MUST give God permission for him to move?

In my life He sure does not seem to need my permission...I have been guided forcefully or gently as necessary and oftentimes warned..sometimes I heed this sometimes I do not..other times I have followed what i felt was conviction, or obedience in a sort of "let go and let God" thing and those were some of my WORST decisions...trusting Jesus or God or whatever blindly according to Biblical precepts has been disastrous in many ways..using my own common sense and logic and protecting myself from enemies and predators has worked MUCH better for me personally..that is one reason I abandoned religion..it is a substitute for self-determination and in my own life I have the skills and intelligence and logic to maneuver my way for the most part..as for trusting God because he has the best intentions for you..how do you explain the multitude of christians who have gone insane, broke, had kids abducted and killed, had spouses leave them, abuse them or even suffer abuse at the ends of the evangeloonies? Were not some of them trusting God?? Yet their lives fell into disarray and misery..if this is what "trusting God" got them..many of them no doubt "let go and let God".what use is it? Do we not rise and fall based on some mysterious mixture of logic, initiative and serendipity?? My own experience with letting go has been things fall apart when I "rely" on God to guide me or fix my problems..

in other areas I feel God has definitely overcome my enemies..so it is a mixed bag...so I am not insensitive to the leading of the Spirit..I just feel it mainly comes down to us and what we do except for those times when God clearly intervenes..nonetheless I do not trust God to do anything good or bad for me..He will do what he wants

Hi Friends

I guess for me what I do trust is that life conquers death and that Life simply changes form, but never dies. So if something horrible comes along, its simply a form/mask/appearance of death and I know another form will arise filled with the life that seems to have gone missing. I guess honestly what I trust is the process of Life. That to me is God. And God wears all kinds of masks/forms but underneath it all is unstoppable Life.

I choose to believe whom I will serve, everyday now. I choose to believe in this unstoppable Life, Love, Grace and Beauty. I choose to believe that it will arise no matter how dark a form appears to be.

Now if someday the form that appears in my life is so dark that I cant choose and there is no trust left in me then I will see what I will see, but for now I trust the process.

GodisLove

GIL as usual your post has been full of life and love . Hugs youuuuu *

And as usual i was the critic that i have allways been . That did lead me to interesting conclusions do.As i decided to let go of the big question "why dont i trust God " or the question "why is it so hard to ..",The only thing that comes up is that it is because i dont want to serve enyone O.O .I dont want to be a slave to enyone . The normal religion has allways made it sound as if i am God's slave and that i have to serve Him and let Him use me no matter what that does to me (pain, torture, destruction etc..),as they say *take your cross my dear *. The other reason is maybe because i dont want to be a saint . As i have got the view that people who are spiritualy grown are very happy ,but if i be so happy and all the other people are not that makes me feel compassion over them and this stops me .I'd rather be a normal person and be happy and live like enyone else than be something so special here in this world . But no matter that i cant lose hope that there is something better for everyone, because if i do then i will go nuts and that is what is still pulling me to God .I want to believe that God with his love kindness and truth will change us in to being better .

DrGuitar
I hate when someone says that God forces you to do something . Just because you have realised that you are doing something bad due to that fact that you see its fruit ,that doesnt mean that God forces you to go in this or the other direction .I remember someone mentioning that we are inteligent creatures and that we can LEARN from our mistakes ,or from the mistakes of others . I never want to believe that we are slaves to this mighty being ,because i want to be free . I believe that we do learn . But i have to admit it . I dont know many things yet and in many i am wrong and about the learning i am the most confused . I did not put the thread of the mind's bounds for nothing .I put it there exacly because i had doubt that eny person can understand God . Maybe i am wrong and its because of me not being able to get it ,but i still think that we cant bare such a big being in our litle brains .Paradox is that i still want to know Him and trust in Him . (lol) Looks like my brain doesnt want to give up.

Hi VID

Your normal you know :)

Hey, there is a book I have been slowly making my way thru that you would probably enjoy. It points out the process of LIFE/God

'The G.O.D. Experiments' by Gary E. Schwartz

http://www.drgaryschwartz.com/

This book is all about how a scientist discovered God in everything including us. God to him is the process of Life.

I hope you can get a copy somewhere.

GIL

Thank you GIL . If i can find this book in my country ,I will read it .

I didn't say God forced me to do anything although I think he probably could! Regardless, only I know my own experience in life and I say again..there have been times when God has indeed guided me forcefully..also I do not think happiness has much to do with anything other than it says you are happy..many sages and compassionate people are troubled and saddened by the world and many ignorant folk are in a state of bliss, hence the old adage. Happiness is overrated IMHO..I would rather be enlightened and loving. the happiness cult was started in the early 20's by Freudian advertising mavens who used it as a way to make money and get people to give them their money in exchange for it. As for being intelligent, that is a matter of relative perspective, e.g. we are smart compared to bugs. But after man has murdered close to 200 million people in the last century over issues of money, power, land, egotism and ideology, I would not say man (at least males) is that intelligent in any absolute sense. I dont think our history would have been near as brutal and bloody if women had been in charge.

My point remains..what do we trust God for if so many terrible things happen (right under His nose when he could intervene) regardless of trusting or right living or not? And anyway what is right living? Going to church and tithing for some but for others it would be the very apex of hypocrisy (for me for example)

People can and do make God into whatever conception they choose and rationalize the pain by looking to the next world or seeing it as another mask of God (assuming it exists) or as a test etc. All I know is if I was God and able to intervene, I would not let the horrible things happen to my kids that happen to kids the world over. Why? because I love them. This paradox leads some to be agnostic. I do not think agnostics "trust" God for much.

My contention is that trusting God is a mental/spiritual pseodo-exercise with no basis in reality. Whatever happens happens regardless of what/whom you trust. Better to live as best you can and let tomorrow worry about itself. Right now I am buying a new house that is very important to my family. I am not going to trust God that I get it. I am simply doing my best to arrive at the setllement table with the cash and lender's check!

Coming to think of it ,we mind the things of this world ,but what if we are connected to another world that realy is the point in our lives ?And maybe that is when someone starts to trust in God . This world is temporary . Even if lots of nasty things happen here and if you feel lots of pain it ends . I am starting to think that we overdo to a point with the thought that people feel too much pain . I have felt in emotional agony for some time ,but it realy did not last that long . Even in the worst depression someone can still sleap and live . You may sleep 2 days and then not and then you will again sleep sooner or later. I think that if people are in torment all the time they would die very very quickly . Infact they would not last more than 2 or 3 days long . So even when people suffer they have some comfort. So that brings me to the thought that God didn't let us suffer too much maybe ? I also think that trusting God indeed would not be applied to this world's things . Rather i would say it aplies of the things connected with the world that we are entering ,or maybe we are in it already ?That speaks of the world that God is in . There are many good things here . The beautifull sunlight and the beautyfull collors . Dont these things make you happy when you look at them ? Even if you are tormented by something you do love them . Where is this all coming from ? Is it not of God ? If i have to believe that God is love isn't that the trust that realy is what we need? And if we have hope and even better ..believe in all of this then maybe it would realy have nice fruits in our lives . What if this is the fruit we are talking about ?There were people that were burned alive ,but some of them remained stable untill their end . So from what did they get that power ? The power to outstand all of that hard life and keep their ..LOVE .
Maybe that trust is what it is said of and maybe these fruits are its real benefits . This life on this planet has its own course and ways yet the nice things here allways stay in our hearts even when we are in pain we dont stop loving them . Never can i hate Love neither can i make it look as if its hate . Its love to be happy .
Btw i have to say that i dont think that there are people who do awfull things and stay too happy . I have been a witness that there are many that live unhappy . Doing something bad is bad for you ,so you will not bear good fruit from it too long and that is the reason i think that such people are not too happy .I have seen many rich people who's lives i would rather die than have .

Love ya

GiL Wrote:

Wonderful insight, GiL! I also came to this conclusion, seems like years ago, but it probably has only been since I started tracking the incredible discoveries of DNA Science.

I personally think that God wants us to be responsible for our actions, use the gifts and resources He gives us and follow our hearts. And yes, I believe we are lead by our hearts but don’t leave your head too far behind either! My “trust or faith” in God is that, somehow, I will know how to make the important decisions in my life that I can’t figure out for myself. I’ve never expected God to protect me or save me from the consequences of my own mistakes or even random and senseless evil. I ‘spose it’s how I was raised. (Thanks, Mom and Dad!)

We are sentient beings who are continually striving to understand what it means to be “made in God’s Image”. But we have been blessed with God’s Spirit and our moral seeking (God-like?) natures. We protect ourselves by developing these attributes and when we do, we also protect our children and others from natural disasters and man-made evils.

I think this is precisely the reason why Jesus taught MORALS instead of punishment. Punishments are reactive and many times can not restore that which has been lost. Morals are Proactive and have the potential to prevent both evil and loss.

I must conclude that God does not protect us directly, except in extremely rare cases where there is no other rational explanation. And no, I see no reason for innocent suffering other than to spur empathic men and women toward moral outrage and actions to prevent future tragedies.

I don’t see Divine Protection or the reason for suffering in Jesus teachings. Certainly the Prophets before Him and his followers afterward fell at the hands of misguided and just pain evil humanity, if you believe the Biblical accounts. And why not, today’s headlines are filled with the very same wretchedness.

I don’t see how we can rationally expect different fates unless we are actively and collectively trying the change the world by our example and our willingness to share – not sell – not preach – not coerce!

This is my hope. This is my faith. The only “trust” that I have is based on how I was changed 34 years ago. If this change can happen to me, then I have hope that it can happen to the world, one heart at a time!

In His Love, John