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 Post subject: Taking up One's cross
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:09 pm 
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Hi all

This has been bugging me the whole day. We are probably all too familiar with the suffering camp with regards to the taking up of one's cross. In light of the promise of abundant life, this aspect still stands out as an oxymoron to me.

I googled to see if there were any good articles but the top lists are all more or less in the suffering camp. I found one from the UK that is reasonable but before I post it, what do you all say, or how do you interpret the meaning?

Please refrain from articles for round one. Share it as you see/understand it and then we can post (after I say so) articles.

Let us keep this civil and preferably short responses - it may just trigger other stuff. (You may use the bible :tu: )

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:56 am 
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It could mean that in "following" Jesus we exercise moral restraint..but then dont most people Christian or not? It could also mean we will be persecuted as believers..but then arent millions persecuted for various reasons who are not Christians? I wouldnt say my life has become a drawn out exercise in suffering since I came to Jesus in fact it has led me to the truth. That truth however was not found in any traditional or fundamentalist teaching.

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lambanō
Pronunciation

läm-bä'-nō (Key)

Part of Speech
verb

Root Word (Etymology)

a prolonged form of a primary verb, which is use only as an alternate in certain tenses

TDNT Reference
4:5,495
Vines
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to take

a) to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it

1) to take up a thing to be carried

2) to take upon one's self

b) to take in order to carry away

1) without the notion of violence, i,e to remove, take away

c) to take what is one's own, to take to one's self, to make one's own

1) to claim, procure, for one's self

a) to associate with one's self as companion, attendant

2) of that which when taken is not let go, to seize, to lay hold of, apprehend

3) to take by craft (our catch, used of hunters, fisherman, etc.), to circumvent one by fraud

4) to take to one's self, lay hold upon, take possession of, i.e. to appropriate to one's self

5) catch at, reach after, strive to obtain

6) to take a thing due, to collect, gather (tribute)

d) to take

1) to admit, receive

2) to receive what is offered

3) not to refuse or reject

4) to receive a person, give him access to one's self,

a) to regard any one's power, rank, external circumstances, and on that account to do some injustice or neglect something

e) to take, to choose, select

f) to take beginning, to prove anything, to make a trial of, to experience

2) to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back

Mt.10:38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

Mk.8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Mk. 10:21 (KJV, the cross isn't mentioned in the NASB) Then Jesus beholding him loved him and said unto him, "One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come take up the cross and follow Me.

Now I notice that Jesus is telling them to take up the cross and follow him before Jesus took up the literal cross and died . I also noticed that the only time anyone is told to take up the cross and follow Jesus is before He died. So, what was Jesus really talking about when He told people to take up the cross and follow Him? I'm kinda befuddled :bsad:


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 Post subject: take up your cross
PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:39 pm 
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"If anyone wishes to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me unto life everlasting." Jesus is to be followed, not only worshipped. The cross is the vehichle to which your ego will be slain. Once your ego dies, seperation from God will disappear. Jesus said "not my will but thy will be done." Don't sit there and worship me for what I did. We need to get busy! Take up our cross,and follow him. Deny ourselves and we will find everlasting life. We need to turn from the creation to the creator. We have the Holy Spirit inside of us! We have to turn from thinking about this world and ourselves as being seperate from God. We must become reunited with him. Jesus said he is the way, the truth, and the life, and he shows us the way to live, overcoming our ego and living for God.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:49 pm 
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I don't know "how" you'd get out of the cross

even if you wanted to, at least not at a certain

point, when God lays His Hand on your life,

REAL God, not just church going, etc., David

says "Lo, if I make my bed in hell, thou art

there, if I ascend into the heavens." etc.

Members in particular. Remember Paul? "I will

show him what things he must suffer for my

names sake" Why? Better to know God than

to know "Why" ....God's not gonna tell people

everything, but line on line, HE teaches His

people. And the cross comes before the

resurrection. .....Hmmm? And Abraham learned

on the 3rd day, on the 3rd day, he lifted his

EYES and saw the place afar off, and learned

that God desired not "sacrifice" but a body

thou hast prepared him. When David was KING, he met Aurauna in the threshing floor on
equal terms, Aruauna too, "as a KING!"

Everything is beautiful in it's own time.


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