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Post subject: From the Nile to the Euphrates-is the promise fulfilled? Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:09 pm |
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Genesis 15:17And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
18In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
The people who now call themselves jews say God promised them a greater Israel, from the Nile to the Euphrates. Is this a fact? Why has God then failed to keep that promise?
The truth is that the seed of Abraham do in fact occupy the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. They are the sons of Ishmael, called Arabs. God always keeps his word.
The land He promised Israel was specific.
Deuteronomy 2:29
(As the children of Esau which dwell in Seir, and the Moabites which dwell in Ar, did unto me;) until I shall pass over Jordan into the land which the LORD our God giveth us.
What then were the borders of the land given to all Israel?
Numbers 34
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land of Canaan; (this is the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan with the coasts thereof:)
3Then your south quarter shall be from the wilderness of Zin along by the coast of Edom, and your south border shall be the outmost coast of the salt sea eastward:
4And your border shall turn from the south to the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass on to Zin: and the going forth thereof shall be from the south to Kadeshbarnea, and shall go on to Hazaraddar, and pass on to Azmon:
5And the border shall fetch a compass from Azmon unto the river of Egypt, and the goings out of it shall be at the sea.
6And as for the western border, ye shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border.
7And this shall be your north border: from the great sea ye shall point out for you mount Hor:
8From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath; and the goings forth of the border shall be to Zedad:
9And the border shall go on to Ziphron, and the goings out of it shall be at Hazarenan: this shall be your north border.
10And ye shall point out your east border from Hazarenan to Shepham:
11And the coast shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall descend, and shall reach unto the side of the sea of Chinnereth eastward:
12And the border shall go down to Jordan, and the goings out of it shall be at the salt sea: this shall be your land with the coasts thereof round about.
13And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying, This is the land which ye shall inherit by lot, which the LORD commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half tribe:
14For the tribe of the children of Reuben according to the house of their fathers, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to the house of their fathers, have received their inheritance; and half the tribe of Manasseh have received their inheritance:
15The two tribes and the half tribe have received their inheritance on this side Jordan near Jericho eastward, toward the sunrising.
16And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
This was the land of Caanan, and a sliver of Moab. Period. Not from the Nile to the Euphrates, those lands were for Abraham's seed called Arabs. They have held these lands for thousands of years, because God is always faithfull.
Christians everywhere think that promise made to Abraham was only made to Israel, of the possession of all that land, and daily believe Him slack on His word because jews, calling themselves Israel, do not possess the land. They never will.
As Jesus said:
Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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Post subject: Re: From the Nile to the Euphrates-is the promise fulfilled? Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:36 am |
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That is right that old promise was fullfilled long ago, Judah got their inheritance, yet they want what is others inheritance too! It is the mindset that says: what is mine in Israel is mine and what is yours in Israel is mine too because it was promised to Judah only? No way, the old covenant and promise was for ALL of Israel, not just Judah and Benjiman.
All Jews were Israelites but not all Israelites were Jews, All Jews one time were Hebrew but not all Hebrews were Jews, after the Kingdom divided into two kingdoms, the kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah that is where the conflict originated between who was promised what conerning Abrahams seed, and the Kingdom of Judah made war against the kingdom of the Israelites Actualy the word or term Jew didn't even appear until after the Kingdom of Israel divided into two Kingdoms, before that they were all Israel or Israelites, no one was called a Jew then, there were 12 houses or tribes and only those from the house or tribes of Judah/Benjiman became called Jews I believe this may have been the lost house of Israel Jesus spoke of that he came for because they had went out away so far into the letter and seperated from Israel into another Kingdom and had become legalistic hypocrites who exploited the lessor Jews who they called publicans and also wared against the kingdom of Israel.
Fire Walker
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Post subject: Re: From the Nile to the Euphrates-is the promise fulfilled? Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:16 pm |
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Yes Israel got what was promised, and the seed of Abraham, all the seed of Abraham, got the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. The land of the Ishmaelites, and all the other decendants of Abraham, Edomites, Moabites etc.
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