The Pope is on a five day trip to Israel, his visit was intended to be about faith and the gospel, however he has run into more political questions from the area
of the holy land than anything to do with faith from both Israelies and Palestinians.

The Palestinians are happy with his visit in general, the Israelies however express great disapointment with his speeches and say the Pope does not express enough
sorrow for the Jewish Holocaust that happened over 70 years ago while he does express grave concern over the ongoing plight that Palestinians have lived through since
1948 and are still suffering today, he calls for a soveriegn state for the Palestinians that is not under occupation
by Israel, and needless to say that did not set well with Israels PM or current government heads who do not plan for the Palestinians have their own government or state, Though the Israelie Government have not been openly honest enough to publicly anouce this to the Palestinians
their actions of grabing more land for Jewish settlers and demolishing exsisting Palestinian homes chocking the land with outposts and settlers allowed to squat on occupied lands gives the Israelie Governments true lack of concern for a palestinian State away for all the world to see.

I see much of this as so much talk about peace in the area that has been going on for decades yet nothing has changed so I am in hope that maybe this visit by the Pope
to the Holy Land might shake some things lose and bear some good fruit fo once after over 60 years of bloodshed
in Lebanon, Palestinian, Golan hights of Seria, and Iraq when Israel bombed Iraqs nuclear reactors, most of the body count over the years of men, women and children have been at the hands of Israels overbearing pre-emptive agression and superior state of the art military weaponry more than it has been about defense, the body count from all those wars since 1948 sould show who the agresser is, about 4 percent if that much are Israelie dead while the combined count of Lebanon, Seria over Golan hights and amoung Palestinians runs into thousands. and includes countless old men, women and children.

Certainly these other countries are far from being entirely innocent yet they had little to nothing to do with what the Nazi party in Germany did 70 some years ago,
so yes the scales of the use of overbearing fire power and propaganda tips to modern day Israel, yes maybe the Pope is trying to bring some of these more current things
into light than the 70 year old holocaust that has been played over and over again for years as an excuse for what Israel has done up to this point backed by US military aid and blessings, hopefuly things might take a good turn for once in the whole middle East
which includes Israel.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Hey FW:

I join with you in the hope that something good will come out of this visit! It’s amazing to me how many problems we created over 60 years ago when the mostly Christian Nations of the world decided to help “god fulfill prophecy” concerning the Jewish state.

IMHO, radical Islam is the DIRECT result of forcing the state of Israel on the World and then arming it to the teeth with the latest weaponry. When will we EVER learn?

Hey, if they really believed their Bible, why don’t they just send out the choir?

FW, you had better hope no one sends your post (or mine) to John Hagee – Yikes!

In His Love, John

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John, I really don't think it would get John Hagee to
even turn his head, he has bigger fish to catch and more important things in his mind to tend to, he would probably if anything just dismiss this article as so much ramblings of an ill informed heretic who has wandered off the worlds well walked path of the politicaly correct religious status quo.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Yea, FW, You are probably right! I know I have the wrong attitude, but that guy (Hagee) REALLY rubs me the wrong way!

John & Fire Walker,

Yes indeed - John Hagee is definitely just about as far away from what I believe as you could possibly get. He is a great fire and brimstone preacher scaring the pants off of those who agree with him. Spending all eternity in a hell with no let up. Great stuff - hauls in the big bucks. Wouldn't you like to make a tax free donation and send some Jews to Israel to await the Messiah?

John

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Johnny 27,

To me it is hard to say where the Pope is really at with all of this, however his speeches and what he said sounded good and to the point, it is something that has needed to be addressed openly for a long time now and I am glad the Pope was given enough strength and courage to step up and address what needed to be addressed because most political and religious leaders in the past have cowered away from speaking the truth about the situation between Israel and the Palestinians with a fair and balanced unbiased approach, the Pope did well I thought when compared to past times when others of authority visiting that area have said little to nothing.

John Hagee and his like don't really care so much about the average eveyday Jew but to speed up the ushering in of the end time prophesies, the Zionist Government of Israel,they have a political agenda and don't have the true welfare of the Jews on their mind, the Zionists and the Judeo Christians like John Hagee are using the Jews for their own selfish agenda and ends
The Palestinian Islamic extremists, not all but many who get into power are also in many instances very controling of their fellow Palesinians. It is a real mess over there in Israel and Palestine and it does have a negative effect on the rest of the world, even if indirectly, that is why I was holding on to hope that the Pope might have a positive effect for the good, especially in the area of the "Holy Land" with his visit because it has not changed over there for the better in decades

I have heard it said that the politicaly minded Zionist Jews in power are harder on those they consider to be their lessor Jewish brethren to indocrinate them first through the use of religous/ political fear and guilt before anything else, from all the things I've seen happen over the years I can certainly see that there may be some truth to that.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Fire Walker,

What you say is so cynical but so epitomizes what human nature is all about. John Hagee is using the Jews so he and his buddies can get filthy rich. It is a wonder how they sleep at night - I suspect quite well knowing their needs are well provided for!

If God just allowed things to continue like this forever He would definitely have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah for the punishment they received!

John

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John,

Yes it may appear what I have said is cynical, yet it's mostly about the few who are in power and have authority over others around the world that have kept things locked up in what we have today. While the changes that have taken place only tend to bind things up even tighter than what they were before the changes leaving people less and less room for liberty and freedom all for the sake of security from an enemy that often times either only exsists in propaganda, or people who are forced into being an enemy that fights back because of the oppression, abuse and lack of compassion they have had to live with.

On the other side of all this are those who get no coverage in the news media, or if they do it is negative coverage, an example of this would be found on the internet, here is a brief exmple of an article I read:

A Few Israelie Jews brake the Law and cross over into the occupied West Bank and Gaza and often get jailed by the Israelie authorities for doing so, they go there to meet with Palestiians who accept these Jews as one with them who want real peace, both these Palestinians and Jews who are participating in this are risking severe penalties or even getting shot, most all of which is met out by Israel.

Religious traditions, fear of Persecution / punishment meted out by the "official legalistic /Politicly correct government" are what prevents most people from trying to change anything in this area.

I can see in these things hope and a seed that can grow into a "good fruit" something that is not seen within the Governments political/ religious agenda controled
by a few in power around the world but is being seen in the people who oppose the bondages of oppression wrought by military and political aggression imposed upon the Nations by the few in power in high places in this world.

Since our Lord worked through the truth, had compassion, exhorted us to love one another and our enemies, to me that includes even those who in power that persecute and oppress all other folks who do not conform to the way of this world, In my POV these folks in the example above risking jail or worse are walking in the spirit of truth and life and are at work in things like that, Many things in my POV are folks working at rest in the spirit in ways that the world doesn't see as anything good, if anything those in power see these things as lack of conformity and as evil.

All these things are just my personal POV others may see things from other POV's, we all see things in part it seems.

Peace,
Fire Walker

The Pope after his visit to Israel has been real quiet as of late, (and to think church leaders and clergy talk about church mice, what do they call the Popes silience?) maybe he has given up on himself and this crazy world we find ourselves in and is finding out that God is moving him away from the old school traditional mind set of this corporate unity religious socialism business ushering in peace by the hands of men, wasn't meant to be, Babylon has fallen and can't be rebuilt no matter how much the greatest of men might think it can, it isn't meant to be my way, anyone elses way or the Popes way, because God is not a respecter o persons, it is going to be Gods way, Gods ways are not mans natural minded ways in the finish of the ages.

Peace,
Fire Walker

The Pope since his visit to Israel has been silient on the world affairs stage for awhile now, and usualy when folks as well known around the world as the Pope is or the US president, when they are silient for a time, often it is the things they are not talking about that are more important than the things they do talk about.

Ever notice it seems without fail that the news media takes on reporting some minor issue and relentlessly pumps it up into something big while something major
that should be reported in the news is left alone in silience or given maybe a one time line or two on the back pages of the news and then back to reporting minor things made to look big again all out of proportion to what it is, is this on purpose to distract us from more important things not being reported?

Anyway when the well known figures in the World such as the Pope get quiet for awhile it makes one wonder what isn't being brought out into the open news that is happening?

Yesterday Israel attacked an unarmed Gaza aid ship with twenty one humanitarian aid workers on it, and pulled the boat out of International waters and into Israel, arrested and held all aboard the ship captive for now and confiscated all relief supplies and medicine bound for Gaza, Cynthia Mc Kinney an former US congress women of 6 terms was on board and is one of those being held captive, what did we see on the mainstream news in the US
about this? absolutely nothing!

Yet look what we did for a Captain and his ship in Somolia when it was taken by pirates, the US sent the US Navy in and Navy Seals and they got the ship, the Captain, the second mate and the crew back! Yet our commander in Chief cowers when it comes to what amounts to the same thing when it comes to Israel? With a former congress women on board that aid ship who run on the green party ticket for president in the 2008 elections, she is a US citizen who has done nothing wrong here in this situation so why all the silience in our news media and from our government leaders, why aren't they addressing this act of aggression on Israels part? After all we know what our government and news media would be saying by now if this was done by any other country other than Israel so whats up with this hypocricy I wonder?

It was President Obama who suggested and encouraged humanitarian aid and supplies for rebuilding Gaza to go into Gaza after Israels war operation in Gaza so it just makes one question all of this double direction activity that stays in the same rut and never accomplishes anything.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Hey FW: Yes this is bad, but unlike the Pirates, the Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Israel was planning to free the crew and passengers. “Nobody wants to keep them here,” he said. “They will be released as soon as they are checked.”

Assuming that this link is true:http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/israel-attacks-gaza-aid-ship-us-congresswoman-kidnapped/

If the Pirates had stated that they planned to release our people and didn't want any money, I don't think we would have sent in the seals - do you? Don't get me wrong. I think our lopsided support for Israel is bad, but isn't there a real difference between these two events? Just asking....

In His Love, John

John,
Yes I see the differance between what Israel did and what the pirates in Somolia
did, one was authorized and state sponcered and one was not, one was for money the other one was for control over the people of an occupied land, Israel is the occupier. The pirates in Somilia are not occupiers of any land they are just a band of thieves. Now Israel says it does not intend to hold the 21 people who were on the ship and they are turning them loose still leaves the question: if Israel returns the 21 people why did they pull them in from International waters outside Israels boundries and pull them into Iseael as captives to start with? In legal language this is kidknapping if nothing else even if they do let them go after the fact.

There was no mention of what Israel will do with the humanitarian aid supplies and construction supplies to help Gaza rebuilt the demolished infstructure though, civilians in Gaza that have nothing to do with sponcering the conflict with Israel are cut off, need medicine and food supplies and sanitary facilities rebuilt, as it is now and has been for months many of them are exposed to raw sewage, bad water, depleted uranium, lack of medical supplies and such all while they watch Israel plow down their olive orchards, make it impossible for folks to move from place to place as needed, collective punishment is what it amounts to and that is against International law. Actualy if anyone is to really help the Palestinians it should be the nieghboring Arab countries and they have not been most of the time very helpful in that regard.

The UN tries but the US blocks every resolution that the UN would impose on Israels actions in this regard.

Maybe the International bankers own all of the countries in the world including Israel and we just don't know it, I know
they certainly are involved with the federal reserve banking system even if they don't out right control it openly.

It is not the people of any country that I see to blame for what their government leaders do but then in many ways the governments and their militaries are controled through economical pushes and pulls that are created by the International bankers either directly our indirectly.

I also think the Vatican is setting on vast sums of wealth and has a large amount of influence on what is happening with the economy and the conflicts through out the world as well,though I would never expect the Pope to ever say so even if he does know, it is possible that the Pope is just another pawn in the grand scheme of things built by the hands of men.

What ever comes of this I do not take sides with Israelie or Gaza politics
personaly I just think these things need discussed and addressed to prove to what extent what is true and what is false in world events, we are only going to see what we are prepared to see and that comes by study of all things and all sides in my POV, in any case I have no fear of any turn of events positive or negative, I am personaly at rest with these things because I trust all things are in Gods time and purpose, all I can do is study, learn and discuss any event that occurs, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Peace,
Fire Walker

Hey FW: Yes, good points! I definitely don’t side with Israel concerning Gaza either! And frankly I can’t believe the US is blocking those UN initiatives. Geesh! What a mess we created in 1948, trying to help “god” fulfilled an alleged prophecy. When will we ever learn???