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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:08 pm 
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hi peacetroll...your yoke seems heavy.Your Father loves you the way you are .All the insight you have received is from the Father who graciously gave it to you and He will give it to others as well ;we are supposed to give the good news and let the spirit do the rest.Jesus loved on people ,the only people he used scripture on to correct was the pharisees who tried to use scripture on him so as to control him.
its time for all of us to rest in the Lord and let him do what he's goin to do
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onlytruth wrote:
hi everyone;i don't post much but God has been putting stuff on my heart.what he has been putting on my heart is starting to ring true in my spirit,so i'm seeking the kingdom and sorting it all out slowly.
basically what i've been sensing is that we are supposed to follow the way of jesus because he shows us what life and truth are all about.we are also to be doing even greater things than jesus did... so if this is the case are we like God?i venture to say, like jesus we are extensions of God or a facet of God.
when the holy spirit hovered over mary(like he hovered over the waters)God imparted his dna(so to speak) in jesus.this was for that time and purpose.i feel God is doing that again but on a bigger scale...that is why i feel we all are to be extensions of God but not necessarily God.the glory will be revealed through us but the glory is not ours.
so i guess to me jesus was a forerunner.... the way and the truth.jesus was a son and we too become sons and daughters
blessings fred



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Psalm 22:28For the kingdom is the LORD's: and He is the governor among the nations.

29All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before Him: and none can keep alive his own soul.

30A seed shall serve Him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

31They shall come, and shall declare His righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that He hath done this.


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First, let me state that I’m perfectly happy for Jesus to be God, but to insist that He MUST be viewed in this fashion (or you’ll Burn in Hell?) just makes no sense to me. If you care to read on, I’ll try to explain my position – or lack of it as the case may be.

After my epiphany, 34 years ago, I attended a Southern Baptist church and began Bible Study of my own. But, I had several Jewish friends, one of which had an Uncle who was a Rabbi. I had occasion to ask this guy, “hey, why do Jews reject Jesus?” His answer surprised me! He said Jews didn’t “reject” Jesus for hundreds of years until the Christians started making him God and “distorting” Torah passages and canonizing the letters of that crazed and arrogant Jew, Saul/Paul of Tarsus. To most Jews, all of this was High Blasphemy and you know how SERIOUSLY the Jews take Blasphemy!

Further, early Jews didn’t even believe in an actual human Messiah. It seems that the concept developed later in Judaism. Today, Jews that believe in the Messiah say that he will be a male descendent of King David (2 Samuel 7:12-13; Jeremiah 23:5), will be observant of Jewish law (Isaiah 11:2-5), will act as a righteous judge (Jeremiah 33:15), and be a great military leader. In Jesus’ day, there had been several “messiahs” in the recent past. Many Jews were weary of their failures to deliver Israel. So the idea of a “messiah” was not unique and, in fact, the name “Jesus” was fairly common as well.

Nevertheless, Jews did not then, nor do they now, believe that the messiah will be “God in the Flesh”. Passages viewed by Christians as indicating a divine messiah (such as the suffering servant of Isaiah 53) are viewed by Jews as speaking of the people of Israel. Most Orthodox Jews accept only the following passages as messianic: Isaiah 2, 11, 42; 59:20, Jeremiah 23, 30, 33; 48:47; 49:39, Ezekiel 38:16, Hosea 3:4-3:5, Micah 4, Zephaniah 3:9, Zechariah 14:9 , Daniel 10:14.

The more I looked at the Jewish Case against Jesus’ Divinity, the more sense it made. Further, not making Jesus God solved the problem with the insufferable “logic” of the Christian redemptive process, that is , God (Jesus) was sacrificing Himself to Himself to appease Himself. Say what? If God required a human sacrifice and Jesus was God’s solution then God could easily decide to use Jesus in the grand Jewish tradition as a “scapegoat” but this time as the Ultimate Sacrifice for ALL sin. In Jewish lore, there are many examples of Prophets that did the same kinds of things as Jesus – some that didn’t even taste death. Clearly, they had the anointing of The Father but no “scriptures” or Jewish traditions claimed that they were God. I don’t see why the “personage” or nature of Jesus has to be any different.

According to my Rabbi acquaintance, the rub came when Jesus started “forgiving sins” because both Jews and Christians believe only God can forgive sins. I guess that meant Christians had to insist that Jesus was God, to which the Jews were vehemently obliged to object. What if Jesus never actually said, “your sins are forgiven” but “your sins are forgiven by the Father or will be forgiven (by the Father)”. In this case, Jesus would be honoring the “broken and contrite heart” but the Father would be doing the forgiving as promised in the OT (Psalms 51:17 and others). I also think the Christians needed another “god” to prop up the dogma of the “Trinity”.

As stated before, I’m perfectly happy for Jesus to be God, but it still makes no sense to me to insist that He MUST be. Like most Dogma, it is divisive and poses some strange theological questions. It has also helped to alienate Jesus’ own people for thousands of years and I don’t see any good that has come from it.

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I don't believe anyone burns in hell. Hellfire, or gehenna fire means total destruction, nothing more.
Jesus is God. No one else could save us. All have failed and fallen short of the Glory of God, Jesus Christ!

Romans 3:22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Revelation 21:22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.


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Eric

I do wish you would insert some dialogue in your posts. The way the forum is morphing, debate will likely not happen and merely citing scrips - what are we supposed to glean off that if you do not share.

I think we are passed the need to window dress our thoughts with scrips to be taken seriously.

Probably why you get so few responses.

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Hi PT:

Wonderful, no one in hell! :tu: Are all saved in your view? What do you think we are being “saved’ from? Why do you think that, “no one else (except God in the flesh here on Earth) could save us”?

Please, I’m not trying to cause a fight! I’m just interested in your POV and I’m not at all offended that you disagree with me. :giveflower: Thanks!

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SeekerSA wrote:
Eric

I do wish you would insert some dialogue in your posts. The way the forum is morphing, debate will likely not happen and merely citing scrips - what are we supposed to glean off that if you do not share.

I think we are passed the need to window dress our thoughts with scrips to be taken seriously.

Probably why you get so few responses.

Rgds


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We require as much personal thought as the scriptures you post.
So post equal amount.
All of us can go to our bible if we want scripture - this is a place of dialog :bh:


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