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fire walker
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Post subject: singular or plural? Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:37 am |
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In Genesis 1 we see Adam is created on the 6th day.
In Genesis 1 we can see Adam is told to name all the animals and he is naming all the animals , ect, and we can also see it says God created them, " male and female created he them" the word them points to a plurality of beings not a singular being ,all of this is before God puts Adam to sleep and opens up the flesh and brings the women out of the man deviding them into two flesh of the one flesh and this is also before they are placed in Eden.
Adam can be used in a singular being context but also Adam means mankind which would be all past, present and future generations of mankind and that is plurality of beings.
If Adam is plural in Genesis 1 then when Adam/ Eve are cast out of Eden later on in Genesis it means (Adam) all mankind present was cast out of Eden, and this might answer some unanswered questions about where did Cain find a wife after he was drove out from amoung his family? or this question did Adam and Eves Sons and Daughters later need incest to bear children or was there other families of mankind besides Adam and Eve while the Adam and Eve in Genesis, are for the sake of not writing many books, the only couple written about out of a plurality of origional Genesis couples bearing families of children? is there anything that would prove or disprove this viewpoint?
Am looking forward to your replies, ponderings and thoughts on this topic.
Fire Walker
_________________ our life traveling through this world is in a temporary campe on the banks of a river called time.
Last edited by fire walker on Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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gijane02
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:52 pm |
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Hmmmm very interesting Firewalker! I just finished listening to a Ray Smith series about Genesis. I don't want to come across as a Ray Smith fanatic, but his site is interesting along with other sites that I look at. It talks about the creation, the flood, dinosaurs, evolution etc. You can find it in the forum ling on his website bible-truths.com. I am looking forward to hearing more from you on this!
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Peacetroll
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:33 pm |
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There was no such thing as incest as such, untill the giving of the law, and all the statutes. People all over the world married sisters etc. Even Abraham. Sarah was his sister.
When genesis says God created them male and female that is exactly what He did. The story is simply saying what God did, then how He did it. He cloned Adam and made that clone female. That's why Adam called her bone on my bone, and flesh of my flesh, that's exactly what she was. Woman, Eve, was taken litterally out of man, Adam.
Cain's wife was one of his sisters.
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Zero_Fly
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:15 pm |
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Actually Adam and Eve weren't the first humans, there were humans before them. Read the Chapter where Cain tells God he is afraid to go away from the area because the other people will kill him. Where did these other people come from? They weren't in the garden, only Adam and Eve were in the garden. If we look at the genesis account the reader will see that there was already pre-adamic race of humans. The way the genesis account is written something happened to the earth, but we are never told.
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fire walker
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:06 am |
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Zero_Fly wrote: The way the genesis account is written something happened to the earth, but we are never told.
That is the reason for my question, we are not openly told
in scripture that there was a pre-Adamic human race,
the way scripture reads all the human race on earth
are descendants of Adamic mankind.
When and if we do a study of historical Judaism and old Jewish fables we find that they believed the gentiles were animals in human form to serve the Jews and this may be where the teaching of a pre-Adamic human race came from.
Paul was chosen to bring the gospel of Christ to the gentiles and the Jews begrugingly at best thought the gentiles must first come under Judiac laws, before they could be allowed into the gospel but God reveals that this wasn't meant to be because the gentiles were never under the old covenant laws, both the old covenant laws and promises he had with the Jews was for old Israel not the Gentile Nations.
The New covenant is for Jew and Gentile alike because in Christ there is niether, the old has passed away, grace is sufficient.
Peace,
Fire Walker
_________________ our life traveling through this world is in a temporary campe on the banks of a river called time.
Last edited by fire walker on Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:38 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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gijane02
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:00 pm |
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Hmmmmmm! Never thought of that. I wonder why only Adam and Eve were in the garden though?
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fire walker
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:08 pm |
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gijane02 wrote: Hmmmmmm! Never thought of that. I wonder why only Adam and Eve were in the garden though?
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Gijane,
well I am moved be your question to say let's start a thread on that question, I am going ahead and start a thread on this question: "Does bible scripture point to a pre-Adamic human race?" Might see you over there.
Peace,
Fire Walker
_________________ our life traveling through this world is in a temporary campe on the banks of a river called time.
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Peacetroll
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:23 pm |
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There really is more than one race of people on the earth. The sad part is that Eve is the mother of all.
Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Now the apostles had no respect for Eve.
Remember this admonition given to those who are not Adam's children?
Isaiah 57:2He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness.
3But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore.
4Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood.
God is specific about what He will do for the souls that He has made.
16For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
17For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart.
18I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.
19I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
20But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked
Now someone might think the following verses are refering to the children of Eve, and it certainly is not. it is refering to the Jerusalem from above.
Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Here is whom it is speaking of.
Galatians 4:25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
The seed spoken of here is Christ and his church.
Micah 5:2But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
3Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
How do we know the woman this is speaking off?
Isaiah 66:8
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
All Adamic men are the breath of God, and will be called at the proper time. The seed of adultry, the truly ungodly, will be brought forth for destruction. They are without sympathy, empathy, and have no love for God or man. Brute beasts, spiritualy.
Job 21:29Have ye not asked them that go by the way? and do ye not know their tokens,
30That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.
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