Even scarier than what is going on economically, but very, very connected to it all. These videos are new and I feel very important. I'm trying to spread them around so thank you for the opportunity to post them here.

End of America
http://snagfilms.com/films/watch/the_end_of_america/
Along with the rest of America, best-selling author and feminist Naomi Wolf was overwhelmed by the swell of conflicting information and the sudden march to war after 9/11. Wolf looked to history to help her understand the dramatic changes she believed she was witnessing, and discovered the disturbing similarities between post-9/11 US policy and that of historically fascist regimes such as Mussolini’s Italy and Hitler’s Germany. Wolf authored her next book, THE END OF AMERICA, which demonstrated that the United States was on a remarkably certain path toward ending democracy. Taking the thesis of her book to the streets, Wolf set out on a national tour to discuss the evolution of America from a functional democracy into a closed, fear-driven society with a terrifying absence of due process. In this profound and eye-opening film, Award-winning veteran documentarians Ricki Stern and Annie Sundberg (THE DEVIL CAME ON HORSEBACK, THE TRIALS OF DARRYL HUNT) accompany Wolf as she discusses America’s dangerous passage towards becoming a society of fear and surveillance, and expresses her plea to restore our nation’s most cherished values.


Fabled Enemies
http://ca.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E5036D47CCC1B78A
Links to all ten parts are on this page.
Seven years after 9/11, the supposed mastermind behind the attacks is still at large, and the nation is entrenched in multiple wars in the Middle East. Is Bin Laden the evil behind the attack or a mere front man in a larger picture, a Bogeyman?
We are told we are fighting a War on Terror, and that the Terrorists hate us for our freedom. If that is the case, why do our leaders take more and more of those freedoms away every day?
10 part documentary by Jason Bermas and Alex Jones release date September 1st, 2008.

Dawn,

I am not able to download the Wolf video here in Canada - but I know of her and she is brilliant in presenting what is wrong with the US. I have been watching the you-tube videos and all is very believable. It is great to see someone with your understanding to be concerned with these very real problems. That is why I believe we are in the closing days of this age of evil!!!

Even though there is no exact date in the Bible for those events - this current history is very suspecious and alarming to me. It is very similiar to other events of prophecy in the Bible - Noah did not tell the people of and exact date of the flood - 70 AD was not given as an exact date for the destruction of Jerusalem either. But those that had ears to hear and eyes to see did take the necessary steps at that time - even though the number of listeners were VERY FEW!!! Great stuff Dawn!!!

John

Dawn,

The system we have doesn't play vidios very good, some play a few frames as they load but don't stay loaded, other vidios do nothing on our system. We get audios only just fine, still pictures just fine and of course written articles.

The books by this author Naomi Wolf sounds interesting and informative, the one book about America I am thinking about possibly purchasing
this winter to read when it is dark out most of a day or the weather is stormy and the power goes out, I fire up the Kerosene lamps, wood stove and set by the fire while
my other half reads to me.

Not to wander off topic I wish to ask Johnny 27 if he has been to the light house at Peggy's cove Novia Scotia?
Last January we got a calander with pictures of light houses from around the world, one picture location per month, the one for November is Peggy's cove Novia Scotia, so John if you return to this thread you may see this, it is a beautiful sight with the mid Fall sunlight leaving a golden look to the lighthouse when the picture was taken.

We are deffinately on the eve of something big taking place in the Nations, shifts of political power, war and rumors of more wars and corruption in high places, very much a sign a big shift and change is taking place within us mankind at an increasing rate.

Fire Walker

Fire Walker& Dawn,

Yes I have been to Peggy's Cove several times. It is great on a hot summer day to get cooled off by the ocean breeze. It has become a tourist site. Not much is known about Nova Scotia and that is good. Our population is only 900,000 for the whole province. It is interesting how you can go to a beautiful beach in the summer and only have a handful of people on it. Hope you can visit sometime.

Dawn those videos are really revealling and should make us look very seriously at what is ahead for us. There seems to be a perfect storm of events from all angles. Too bad this forum is not getting out to more people. The quality of the posts should bring in more interested responses than it does.

John

Wow, I am blown away by this. I didn't think things got to this point. It makes me want to move out of this country and just live in Antartica or some secluded island.

GI-Jane,


Yes, Dawn is truly gifted with being able to put her finger on the pulse of our current problems. We have now entered into a full scale economic disaster - not just a financial difficulty but a main street, wall street and every street nightmare. These imbalances with trade being one of them will overwhelm Obama. He will not be able to turn the red tide back that consists of tens of trillions of dollars that have been borrowed by a BROKE US!!! The tide will come ashore anyway. With dwindling manufacturing capacity, car companies all looking for bailouts at the same time no-one will lend to the US. The treasuries bonds will collapse then the dollar. Hang on to your hat. Get out of the US dollar and US stocks they are going to crash - get out NOW!!!

John

Okay Johnny! I hear ya! lol

Thankfully I never got into the stock market or anything. I am thinking of never using a credit card again though. They are saying it's not 'safe' to put your money under the mattress but we are going to have to flee to the mountains as this gets worse and worse. I will be glad I put a little something under the mattress!

GI-Jane,

Sorry if I sound forceful here but the red tide is coming ashore - it is the unstoppable force of nature. When you bust all the rules the rules bust you back - unfortunately. Here are some reasons why I believe this to be the case. We still have a little time to prepare and get our overhead down - if you haven't already. Thanks for being patient with me!

Despite the global euphoria that greeted Barack Obama's landslide victory on Tuesday, U.S. stocks posted their greatest post-election decline in history — evidence that investors are now beginning to realize: "All the king's horses and all the king's men can't put the economy together again."

Indeed, this would have happened no matter who won the election; the torrent of global disasters was already in the pipeline, already feeding on itself, and already accelerating:

U.S. unemployment at a 14-year high ... 250,000 jobs lost in October ... nearly 1.2 million jobs lost so far this year ... more workers now receiving unemployment benefits than at any time in a quarter century.

Consumer spending — two-thirds of the U.S. economy — taking ... Kohl's, Kmart and many other retailers forced to slash prices 40%, 50%, 60% ... major chains like Mervyn's, Circuit City, Linens 'n Things and others closing hundreds of stores from coast to coast.

The auto industry sucking fumes ... GM, Ford and Chrysler begging for more hand-outs in addition to the $25 billion Washington has already loaned them ... Toyota slashing its profit forecasts by more than 66% ... Daimler's sales plunging 18% ... BMW profits cut in half.

Technology companies starving for sales ... Cisco's growth rate cut in half ... Qualcomm posting a 22% drop in earnings ... quarterly profits at Lenovo Group, the world's fourth-largest PC maker, crashing 78% in July, August and September.
THIS is why Congress is already talking about throwing hundreds of billions more at this crisis. And this is also why you'd better hang onto you hat — because these massive bailouts and handouts guarantee that ...

A NEW Orgy of U.S. Government Borrowing Is Directly Ahead!
Earlier this week — even BEFORE this terrible news hit the wires — the U.S. Treasury announced that between last month and the end of the year, it will borrow a total of $550 billion — more than the entire deficit for ALL of fiscal 2008.

At the same time, Goldman Sachs analysts just announced that, to finance an $850 billion federal deficit ... to buy $500 billion in bad assets ... and to roll over $561 billion in maturing Treasury securities, Washington will have to borrow TWO TRILLION DOLLARS!

But I think it could be a lot more. Just look at the loans, investments and commitments that the government has ALREADY made, check out this list I made - it is no joke although it reads as one. One that hardly can be believed.


$700 billion to the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) rushed into law in September ...


$200 billion to nationalize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ...


$25 billion for the Big Three auto manufacturers, $29 billion for Bear Stearns, and $123 billion for AIG ...


$144 billion to buy mortgage-backed securities (Part of which is included in the item above) ...


$300 billion for the Federal Housing Administration Rescue Bill to refinance bad mortgages ...


$87 billion to pay back JPMorgan Chase for financing bad trades made by Lehman Brothers ...


$200 billion in loans to banks under the Fed's Reserve Term Auction Facility (TAF) ...


$50 billion to support the commercial paper held by money market mutual funds — so far. (By the way, approximately $1.3 trillion worth of commercial paper would qualify, adding a huge unquantifiable liability to the U.S. government.) ...


$620 billion in currency swaps with industrial nations, including aid to the Bank of Canada, Bank of England, Bank of Japan, National Bank of Denmark, European Central Bank, Bank of Norway, Reserve Bank of Australia, Bank of Sweden, and Swiss National Bank ...


$120 billion in swaps for emerging markets, including the central banks of Brazil, Mexico, South Korea and Singapore ...


Unquantifiable new liabilities to cover FDIC's new, expanded bank deposit insurance coverage from $100,000 to $250,000 ...


And more!!!! Not including the unquantifiable liabilities, that adds up to nearly $2.7 trillion or about SEVENTEEN TIMES the size of this year's entire economic stimulus package!

And that $2.7 trillion doesn't even begin to address Washington's next attempts to fight this crisis as unemployment continues to skyrocket and consumer spending continues to crash.

Just last week, we heard more calls in Congress for a second huge stimulus package in an attempt to get shell-shocked consumers to begin spending again. We saw GM, Ford and Chrysler huddling with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to craft another huge bailout for the auto industry. And you can be sure that there will be more to come.

Thus the underpinnings of this reality is the fact that the greatest tidal wave of Treasury bonds in history is about to slam into the markets. AND THIS WILL DESTROY THE US DOLLAR!!! The currency will go into hyperinflation - get some gold - even a small amount will help to get you by. Look at the Wiemar Republic and Zimbabwe for an example of hyperinflation.

If you hold any US dollars or US stock get OUT of them NOW!!!

John

Hey Johnny. I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I wasn't taking you seriously. I have been reading the websites from the links in the videos, and this is all pointing to the last days. It is overwhelming, which a lot of things have been like for the past year for me regarding the traditions of religion. It has been hard to learn the truth, but I am glad God brought me here. You know how we have been taught to believe in the last days, that we will be carried away from all of this trouble while the rest of the world goes to Hell. I let that go earlier this year, it is such a crock. We are really going to have to endure till the end, there is no easy way out. I really would buy some food supplies right now if I had the money. I am wondering if I should even have a bank account anymore..... You know when you hear something that you believe, but really a small seed of doubt is in there? For example, the 9/11 attacks orchestrated by our own leaders? I brushed that aside when I first watched the Loose Change videos,but now... I'm just like WOW, already? The last days are here already? We just have to watch and pray, and try to prepare as best we can for the future by keeping our eyes on Jesus.

GI- Jane,

I just want to clarify my position if I can. I wish that all of us on this forum could get together and talk over some of our ideas and opinions. Written communication has limits. A person may come across as rude and a know-it-all etc. GI- Jane - I do believe that we are in the last days because of a confluence of issues that go beyond the economy. They involve the poisoning of the ecosystem, overpopulation, overconsumption, political objectives now that seem bent on acquiring recourses and the greed that is intertwined within these activities. I am strongly suspicious that we are in the last days - but I do not know for sure!!! That would be too much of a stretch for any human. But at the very least the US is going to enter into a very bad time of economic turmoil and the rest of the world is going to be affected as they try to decouple of this indebted broken economy. We will have to wait and see if these are the last days as events progress. They may NOT! So we must be very open minded and flexible to what is happening. But I believe that at the very least this is very historic.

You say well, "It is overwhelming, which a lot of things have been like for the past year for me regarding the traditions of religion. It has been hard to learn the truth, but I am glad God brought me here. You know how we have been taught to believe in the last days, that we will be carried away from all of this trouble while the rest of the world goes to Hell. I let that go earlier this year, it is such a crock. We are really going to have to endure till the end, there is no easy way out."

The idea of a hell fire and a rapture is a crock, indeed. But the end-times may not be as bad for the elect - to say the least. GI - Jane if you would like, please read my version of Revelation Chapter Twenty at the beginning of my thread entitled "World Crisis and Current Indicators" I take the position that events leading up to the Spiritual Return of the Messiah are extinction level. There is no third group that make it into the millennium. The only people that survive are those that have been resurrected at his coming. The rest of the dead did not come back until the GWT (Great White Throne) period. There are only those of the first resurrection and those "rest" that were brought back in the GWT period. There is no other groups because all the rest other than those in the first resurrection were DEAD!! Read it and let me know what you think of this explanation. I am not talking about a rapture but a resurrection such as the boat the eight souls needed for rescue from the flood.

John




This is Revelation Chapter


This is a huge subject but one that is of extreme interest to me more than most other topics - because this is where the rubber hits the road, - in a word the Parousia. The one most important of all events in the universe - when we receive collectively our new bodies, a spiritual body in Christ's presence. I do feel that we are close (a nebulous term indeed), but humanity for the first time in history is capable of destroying life from off this planet in a variety of ways. This is a time that we must watch for these events to come to fruition. We live in a period of condensed history - events move very rapidly now. Velocity and increased activity is key to understanding this present time - such as indicated by Daniel 12:4 - "But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God's purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great." It is time to prepare for the worst and the best of times - because in the resurrection we will be exposed to all the wonders of creation and His plan plus we will be doing it in a powerful spiritual body under the mentorship of Christ and God! I would like the privilege to discuss what I think about such a complex subject. And asking the question, do we have current indicators that would lead us to believe that such "End Times" are near?

Consider that many in the US and Iran seek religious salvation through a Middle Eastern blowout. “End times” Christian fundamentalists believe a cataclysmic Armageddon will enable the Messiah to reappear and transport them to heaven, leaving behind Muslims and other non-believers to face plagues and violent death. Iran’s new Shia Islam president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, subscribes to a competing version of the messianic comeback, whereby the skies turn to flames and blood flows in a final showdown of good and evil. The Hidden Imam returns, bringing world peace by establishing Islam as the global religion.

I would like to lay out what I see in our future history that is embedded in Revelation Chapter Twenty. This chapter is a synopsis of events that occur after Christ's "Second" Presence. I believe that the Millennium will be a trainning period for the Chosen. And when you look at verse five, when ALL the rest of mankind were brought back, they all came back from the dead! In other words, ALL THE REST WERE DEAD! As it reads here the REST WERE DEAD! No live group coming over from the Millenium to join in with those brought back from the dead, either. All those that were brought back were dead. There are only TWO resurrections to spiritual life - 1) At the second coming of Christ and - 2)At the end of the GWT Period!

REVELATION CHAPTER 20

This theme concerning the thousand years in the book of revelation leaves me with some important clues. I, IMO, think there are certain dynamics that are in motion and always must be respected. There are the physical and spiritual substances interacting with what IS, WAS, and WILL BE in time. I believe there are limits that produce the derivatives responsible for shaping God's exact plan. The thousand year period is no doubt part of God's divine purpose for mankind. I would like to discuss with you what I see being talked about in these texts, of Revelation chapter 20 with regard to this most interesting and real dispensational epoch. The "THOUSAND YEARS" period has always been considered by me to be a very fascinating time. A interval between the Parousia and the GWT that will really jump start in a material way the salvation of man. So I would like to examine these texts in chapter 20, where the thousand years is specifically mentioned. We notice that this chapter is the sole domain of this term - and that it appears in six successive verses from two on to seven. It has struck me as a very revealing group of verses regarding what's ahead for mankind, when looked at closely. I believe that events leading up to the Millennium or Parousia will evolve the destruction of all life from this planet. Matt 24: 22 - for the elect sake these days will be shortened. Because God intends to save the flesh of the elect until the resurrection. As Noah and his family was saved by entering into the boat, then all life perished on the planet. This will be repeated from a confluence of sources - such as war, environment, economic, famines similiar to a perfect storm of events. We will be resurrected just prior to all life being destroyed. All those who ever lived or died will be brought all back during the Great White Throne period Rev 20:11 - and receive their salvation then - "UR"

Revelation Chapter 20: verses 2~7 and the Time Line of Events concerning the Millennium and the GWT periods:

Verse1) "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand." This occurs at the beginning of the Millennium. This angel has the authority and power given to him by God to carry out this task. The fact that he has the key of that underworld is designed to denote here, that he can fasten it on Satan so that it shall become his prison.

Verse 2) - "He chained the dragon for a thousand years. It is that old snake, who is also known as the devil and Satan." This verse announces that Satan is to be restrained for a thousand years at the initial stage of the "Millennium".

Verse 3) - "Then the angel threw the dragon into the pit. He locked and sealed it, so that a thousand years would go by before the dragon could fool the nations again. But after that, it would have to be set free for a little while." This verse declares that Satan would be locked and sealed away (restrained) for a period of a thousand years before he could deceive the nations again. But then he would be free after that - to deceive the nations. So this would be a period of time that he is not deceiving people - and it would be the first time in human history since Adam&Eve. Why is that - it could be that there are no people alive at this time on earth. No nations no Satan. He is not needed until there are people that will be judged. Satan will be needed for that purpose only.

Verse 4) - "I saw thrones, and sitting on those thrones were the ones who had been given the right to judge. I also saw the souls of the people who had their heads cut off because they had told about Jesus and preached God's message. They were the same ones who had not worshiped the beast or the idol, and they had refused to let its mark be put on their hands or foreheads. They will come to life and rule with Christ for a thousand years." This verse shows those that were sitting on thrones who have the right to judge because they witnessed about Jesus and preached God's message. They refused the beast and His mark and came to life and ruled with Christ a thousand years.

Verse 5) - "But the (ALL - mine) rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection." This verse says that the REST of the dead lived not again until the thousand years are finished. The Millennium is NOW OVER and the REST of the dead come to life. Meaning the way I see things - that THE REST WERE DEAD! These peoples were not amongst those of verse four or the first resurrection. ALL those that were not apart of the first resurrection are now brought back until when - not until the thousand years are finished. No mention of this phantom group of people that were supposed to have lived during the millennium. That all the churches think are there, like a paradise. Devoid of any training and hard times or Satan always associated with the process of salvation. If this is not a time for humans to gain salvation it is a waste of time. This in my opinion will be a time for the training of the chosen those that were a part of the first resurrection, those resurrected to age lasting life as spirit beings. We will be here reigning with Christ under His tutelage and God's as well for this thousand years. And Satan will not have any part to play here and he will not be privy to our development. This is off limits - he is not loosed until the thousand years are finished.

Verse 6) -"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." This is saying that those that were a part of the first resurrection will reign with Him a thousand years most likely on earth Rev 5:10. But this is not to exclude the rest of the universe. But there is NO mention of reigning over the nations or humans during the thousand years, ever. Just that we will reign with Him for that thousand years. You ask the question reigning over who. I do not have a complete answer for this but there are innumerable numbers of angels - that would be a good start indeed!

Verse 7) - "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison," Now here we see Satan being loosed out of his bondage. And notice this very carefully, then he goes out and resumes his duties deceiving the nations. That is when the nations are brought back AFTER the Millennium. Absolutely no mention of people being transported out of the thousand years Millennium unto the stage in the group that were brought back to life after the thousand years were finished. It is also true that if there were a phantom group such as this they would not be dead at the end of the Millennium. No where is it mentioned as well that there would be live people brought back, just the rest of the dead. The "churches" do not have the bugs worked out of this very unlikely event. What happens when Satan reappears on the scene - the trouble begins but this time through special circumstances all these harsh issues are resolved eventually. This is the last period involving humans called the GREAT WHITE THRONE (GWT) or the Mosaic Feast of Tabernacles which was the shadow of this GREAT HARVEST! Rev 20:11 - the time of the defeat of death - the last enemy I Cor 15:26! Satan will be hard at it again, read verses 8&9 of Revelation. Tough times ahead still for mankind, indeed!

8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. " This mass of humanity is gathered together as in "FROM" the four quarters. It looks like they must journey to make battle with the saints. Remember at this point you are dealing with a vast population. About 100 Billion roughly! As explained previously this is post Millennium in time, after that thousand years were finished. This includes all the dead vs. 5. And vs. 7 says that when the thousand years are expired (same time period as vs. 5) Satan will be loosed to, and he (Satan), will deceive the nations to participate in this battle. There is no mention of any physical humans transferring over from the supposed group that lived during the Millennium. These humans that were left over at the Parousia - living for a thousand years with Christ to me is a notion with no substantiation!

9) "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." This is a scene that is somewhat vague as to the content of those employed in this endeavour. I believe if this is describing an army compassing the camp of the saints and the beloved city (Jerusalem) that this battle is local pertaining to that area and not global in scope. And we must consider another aspect of this battle and gathering. If this is to be an army and that is likely, to go into battle, what would the army consist of. Would not the most probably solution to this question that this army would consist of younger able bodied adults. Not infants, their mothers and the like. So the point here seems to be that not all the human race would be destroyed here at this time. What is obviously meant is, that their destruction would be sudden, certain, and entire, and that thus these enemies of God and would be destroyed. Nothing can be determined from this about the "means" by which this destruction will be effected; and that must be left for time to disclose. It is sufficient to know that the destruction of these last foes of God and the church will be certain and entire. This "language," as denoting the final destruction of the enemies of God, is often employed in the Scriptures. See Psa 11:6; Isa 29:6; Eze 38:22; Eze 39:6.

10) "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Satan has served his purpose. He has been the adversary for all. The beast and false prophet both symbolize the flesh and Satan is obviously the adversary. Combined they represent all that the elect overcome. Likewise they must be destroyed for all others to be saved and for this reason we see Satan now going into the lake of fire. His mission and purpose have been completed. He is depicted going into the lake of fire before all others because the flesh or carnality within him is so much greater than it is in all others. But know this…he also will be saved, 'yet so as by fire'.


11) "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." Here we see the Great White Throne Judgment or the judgment of all who are not God's elect. That's right…the throne's white, not black, so we know that there is righteousness in this judgment. This shouldn't come as a surprise because we experienced the very same type of judgment during our lives.

So what then is meant by 'the earth and the heaven fled away and there was found no place for them'? The earth and heaven here have nothing to do with the Babylonian definitions for these words. What are being talked about here are the earth of man and the heaven of man. In the presence of God, on that day of judgment when all others are judged by their works, there will be no place for man's flesh (his earth) or for the carnality of his mind (his heaven). Such as it was for the elect, after the fall of Babylon within them and after having exited their 'prison' or 'Tarsus' experience.

12) "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." [Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. (Hebrews 10:7)] Look, just like us, all others are judged by their works. The dead, 'spiritually' dead, are judged out of the Book of the life of the Lamb. They are judged by the word of God and whether or not they have kept His commandments. This is exactly what Christ has said would happen all along. This is exactly the same way He judged us and we judged ourselves and others during the course of our lifetime. Remember God is not a respecter of persons. [For there is no respect of persons with God. (Romans 2:11)] [These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment. (Proverbs 24:23)] He judges all according to their works and whether or not their works are burned, the person shall be saved, yet so as by fire. [For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15)]


13) "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead whicwere in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." This is showing that all of the 'spiritually' dead must be judged. The sea, as we already know represents all of humanity. Death and hell (Hades) give up the dead in that all who are 'spiritually' dead come to be judged here. This includes all those who have physically died and were 'sleeping' or in the condition of Hades which we have thoroughly established to be the condition after death and prior to resurrection. All of this is the second resurrection.


14)"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." This is death and Hades being thrown into the lake of fire. There's another crucial point that needs to be brought up here and that is that all death will ultimately be destroyed. [The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (1 Corinthians 15:26)] Both death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire because in order for all death to be destroyed, 'physical' death and the condition after 'physical' death must first be abolished.

Equally as crucial is the need for us to see that the lake of fire and the second death are both one and the same. [And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Revelation 20:14)] [But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)] If we believe the words of Jesus Christ, all death will be destroyed. For death to be destroyed, the second death or lake of fire must also be destroyed. Otherwise, death is not destroyed. I know we've heard all our lives about the never ending suffering by all in the lake of fire but as we already know, all that we had learned was 'strong delusion'. The lake of fire, or second death, will be destroyed when all death is destroyed after all have been purged by the consuming fire of God and all have been saved through Jesus Christ.

So how is death destroyed? Death can only be destroyed by giving all life. Is this what God's word says? Will all truly, one day, be made alive? [For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:22)] Yes and it is all part of God's glorious plan.


15)"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." We, the elect, are the ones whose names are found in the book of life because Christ lives His life out in us. But with all others, such is not the case. Christ only lives His life in those of His elect and therefore the names of all others are not going to be found in the book of His life.

And just like us who experienced the consuming fire of God in our trials and tribulations throughout our lifetime, all others must experience that same consuming fire. All others must and will experience it in the lake of fire, in 'the presence of the holy angels' and 'the Lamb'. [For our God is a consuming fire. (Hebrews 12:29)] [The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Revelation 14:10)]


John

Paul,

That was a great video of Peter with his predictions. It is amazing how the other panelists mocked him. It always seems that anyone trying to take the opposing view of what popular main stream thinking is gets to be laughed at and made a fool out of regardless of how cogent the points are. I have been listening to Peter over a year now. When I first heard him back in August of 2007. I said he is right on. This is what I have always believed for the last 40 years. Beginning with huge imports in 1968 from Japan, freer credit and in 1971 the US dollar became a fait currency free of the discipline of gold. The rest is history! It is an old story that took decades to come to the point that it is at now - a total supersized mess, indeed!!! Not a laughing matter for Mike and Art at this point. How little did they know and how little we should listen to Wall Street traders. Now get some gold! It is going to be many time worse than Peter was saying it was going to be because Peter did not know about the $Trillion dollar bailouts and as a consequence of that the $Trillion dollar deficits - the dollar WILL CRASH!!!

John

Hey John. Yeah I wish this thing had like a video chat, that would be cool. Thanks for posting the chapter in Revelation. Your thoughts are similar to what I read on Ray Smith's website a few months ago,execpt your wasn't 5,000 pages! I think we are in the last days, but when our minds think of days, we think just 24 hours, but I just think it is streched out over time maybe?

JI-Jane,

Thank you very much JJ for reading my post concerning Revelation 20. You say that "Thanks for posting the chapter in Revelation. Your thoughts are similar to what I read on Ray Smith's website a few months ago,execpt your wasn't 5,000 pages! " With all respect JJ I have never read anything that Ray Smith wrote about Revelation 20 that was similiar to this post. Ray Smith believes in a millennum, a thousand year, rule on earth with Christ, the elect and a group of humans making it through a(the) great tribulation. Not that there will be no flesh saved alive. The days were only shortened for the election - no one else.

What I am saying is that all physical life will end when Christ comes and I have never read this anywhere before. Because Rev 20:5 says that the rest of the dead were dead. What other "rest" were there that were "ALIVE"? What group came out of the 1000 year period? I see no mention of these people. Please reply soon JJ it is great to discuss this with you.

John

Johnny,

Hey again. It was a few months ago when I read that LONG study. You are much more enlightened on this topic and I am learning from you what God is showing you It hit me last night that I had heard what you said when I was a teenager (can't believe I am saying 'was' now!) it was this show called Amazing Facts I think and it was coming from chapter 20 also I believe, but I THINK he said that Satan was going to be bound a thousand years because there will be NO ONE to decieve because everyone will be DEAD! I never thought I would remember that. I welcome your honest correction because Revelation is still SO DEEP for me. I had to take a break from that study, but this past weekend I have been blown away from websites that were linked to the videos that Dwan posted. This has just put the desire back in me to just keep going back into studying Revelation.

JJ,

Thank you for your post. That is very interesting what you say about the 1000 years being a time when no humans were alive. I must look into that,"Amazing Facts". When I was reading through Revelations and trying to make some sense out of the ages or time periods - I discovered that there were only two groups not three. I am sure someone must of seen the same thing at some point in time.

Dawn is really spot on with her political concerns - I have been watching the videos too. Great to talk to you.

John