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 Post subject: but..but...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:33 am 
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nuh-uhhhh....

I still have trouble with the following thought:

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There is no star in the universe that is heaven. We are truly seated with Christ in "heavenly places" right here, right now. Listen, the heavenlies are everywhere! and the heavenlies are mostly hidden from the natural eye. Jesus isn't going to return in a physical form and whisk us away to some remote geographical location.

1-There is no physical heaven to go to.
2-Jesus has already returned (past tense) and lives in us now.
3-Heaven, the kingdom of God is here now, everywhere, ever present- for the last 2,000 years

So, the moral of this commentary is to start living as though you ARE already there, because you know what, YOU ARE. I AM!


:crywipe: I'm NOT already here.
I'm not.
I can't pet a tiger.
I can't hug my mom.
I am still surrounded by evil.
I can't love people the way I want to love people. I do in my heart of hearts, but not in my mind. There are too many walls in my mind.
Bad things can still and are happening to my loved ones.
There are horrible wars all over.

Heaven isn't here.
It just ISN'T.
Why do people keep saying that it is?
Why are they lying? :crywipe:

Sorry to sound depressing.
I'm just tired.
I want to go home.
This place is not home.
I want to go to the real home...
When people say it's HERE... I feel like I'm dying inside.
God... please help me understand what they mean.
I imagine heaven but I can't live in heaven while here on earth.
I can imagine and try to spread as much love around as I can.
but... but...

heaven..
it's not here.
I don't see it.
only in my mind.
but I cannot escape this world by just "thinking" of heaven.


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I think I am leaning into my carnal self and seeing through my carnal eyes...
when I need to lean forward into my spiritual self and look through my spiritual eyes...

I think this is what is happening to me.



Faith.
Maybe it's just a matter of faith.

I suppose that is part of the struggle... living here in the physical world, yet having our spirits awakened to truth and remaining in the physical for a season.


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Hi Sparrow!
I think it is a matter of the substance of heaven. The essence of heaven is within you and so there is no other 'place' to go to except to be fully conscious of what is inside of you. I think that's what you're longing for - to know as you are known. :mthumbsup: Knowing more can come now and also be more fully manifested after physical death and we are no longer living in 'the heart of the earth'.

In the mean time, your love is showing us heaven now. :tu:


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Thank you Byron...
I had to mull this over for awhile before I responded.

I'm still mulling. lol...

but wanted you to know I appreciate you words.

Actually, I really appreciate YOU.

I'm really glad you are here on earth at the same time as me. :giveflower:


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"Why are they lying?"

Because there are two views, one of faith and one of reality. Those who misunderstand the two, do not mean to be lying, they just aren't speaking the truth.

By faith, we are presented seated in heavenly places. By faith, we are Sons Manifest on earth doing the Will of God. By faith, Jesus has returned and is operating in each and everyone of us.

This is not about carnal and spiritual, this is about where your mind is. Is it on the things of God, or on the things of man? My righteous ones shall live by faith, and by faith in the Son of God.


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If this Heaven I want my money back!!! :laugh: :laugh:

and yeah where are my parents or my pet goldfish Specks (who died in 1972) or Adam...I want to meet the very first human..where are they?

Does that mean there's no life eternal?? I will never get to jam with John Paul George and Ringo?? :sigh:

..I thought death will be destroyed..seems to me if this is all there is..it will just keep on reaping grimly all us poor schleps :crywipe: No heaven means no afterlife which means Jesus lied and we all just go back to dust..heck if that's the case a lot of Christians sure wasted their time trying to be ascetic


Sparrow there is life after death...bank on it... :giveflower:

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DrGuitar wrote:
[size=18]If this Heaven I want my money back!!! :laugh: :laugh:


That made me actually laugh out loud...

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